Two MM2 value lists, one item: why the prices do not match

By MM2 Values TeamPublished 8 min read

You offer a trade. The other player says your knife is worth less than you think. Neither of you is lying. You are reading different lists.

There is more than one community value list for Murder Mystery 2. We build ours from one of them, and we check every item against the other. This page is what that check turns up, recalculated every time the page is built, so the numbers below are today's and not the day we wrote this.

How far apart are they right now?

We compared 515 priced items. Both lists put a real number on 371 of them. Here is how those 371 split:

Gap between the listsItemsShare
Same number10829%
Under 8% apart9626%
8% to 25% apart8523%
More than 25% apart8222%

The middle of that spread sits at 6.3%, so half of all items are closer than that and half are further out. 55% land near enough that nobody would argue about them. That is the good news. The rest is where trades go wrong.

The short version

On most items the two lists agree well enough to trade on. On a few hundred they do not, and those are almost always items that hardly ever change hands. Check both before you accept anything expensive.

The items they argue about most

These are the widest disagreements on items worth trading today. Our number is on the left, theirs on the right.

ItemOur valueTheir valueGap
Sunset6501.7K+62%
Chroma Sunset7.0K18K+61%
Sweater Knife7560-20%
Piggy6555-15%
Pine Knife10085-15%
DarkKnife6070+14%
Green Pumpkin7060-14%
Gifts Knife11095-14%

Look at what those items have in common. The items the two lists are more than 25% apart on carry an average demand of 1.4 out of 10. Across everything both lists price, the average is 1.7. The big gaps sit on the items fewest people are chasing, which is exactly what you would expect: a price only settles once enough people trade at it.

Where they agree exactly

The opposite case is worth knowing too. These are the most expensive items where both lists land on the identical figure:

When two lists built by different people land on the same number, that number is about as solid as MM2 values get. Quote it and nobody can tell you it is wrong.

Why two lists ever disagree

They watch different trades. Every value list is really a record of deals somebody saw. Different servers, different Discords, different traders. If a rare knife sold twice this month and one list saw both sales and the other saw neither, they will publish different numbers and both will be honest about it.

They update at different moments. Ours rebuilds through the day. Theirs runs on its own schedule. On a quiet item that changes nothing. During an event, when prices move every few hours, a few hours of lag is the whole gap.

They draw the line differently on what counts as a price. This is the big one, and it is not about accuracy at all. One list will publish a figure for anything people have talked about. The other only publishes when there is a real market. That second habit is why 67 items on our list show up on theirs with no number at all.

The leaderboard problem

Of those 67 blank entries, 64 are leaderboard awards. Think Gold Minty (500M) or Gold Gingerscythe (500M). Those went to the top players of an event. They were never on sale.

So there is no market price to find, only what a handful of owners have accepted in private. One list quotes those figures because traders want a ballpark. The other leaves it blank because a number with no market behind it is a guess wearing a suit.

Both positions are defensible. What matters to you is this: the most expensive items in the game are exactly the items the two lists handle most differently. If you are ever in a trade involving one, get the gap settled first.

What to do with two numbers

What we do about it

We do not average the two lists together. Averaging would produce one tidy number and throw away the only thing worth knowing, which is whether the two sources agree.

Instead, every item page carries a second opinion box: their number, the gap as a percentage, their trading range where they publish one, and how much their figure has moved since their last update. On 36 items they have no record at all, and the box simply does not appear. We would rather show you nothing than invent something.

The trade calculator still totals a trade with our values, so a verdict you get today matches the badge on a trade posted last week. Use the item pages for the second look.

FAQ

Which MM2 value list is the correct one?

Neither, and that is not a dodge. Both lists are built by people watching the same trades and writing down what they saw. When they agree you can be confident. When they are far apart it usually means the item barely trades, so there is no settled price for either of them to find.

Why do MM2 values differ between sites?

Three reasons. They watch different trades, they update at different moments, and they draw the line differently on what counts as a price. One will publish a figure for an item that has changed hands twice all year. The other leaves it blank.

Someone quoted me a different value. Who is right?

Ask which list they are reading before you argue. Most disagreements in a trade chat are two people quoting two sites, not one of them lying. Our item pages show both numbers, so you can settle it in one link.

Do you change our values to match the other list?

No. We publish one list as the value and the other as a second opinion, side by side. Averaging them would hide the disagreement, and the disagreement is the useful part.

Why is a 500M item shown as having no value on the other list?

Because it was won, not bought. Leaderboard prizes were handed out to the top players of an event and never sold in a shop. One list quotes what holders have accepted in private deals. The other refuses to put a number on something with no market.